Mr. Griffin.

told me while I was interviewing you that on Sunday morning you drove to work, and that you parked your car somewhere along the side of the police department building, and it is your recollection that you walked from the Commerce Street
side through the basement hall that leads to the records room?

Mr. Graves.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, I asked you in the interview whether you remember just-remembered Just as you walked down from the Commerce Street--down the steps to the door which leads into the building, whether as you got inside the building you noticed the placement of TV cables in relationship to the engine-room, or that door that goes back down into the subbasement. Do you have any recollection of how the TV cables were spread out there?

Mr. Graves.

Vaguely. I think the cables did go through that door. I couldn't be sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Which door are you talking about?

Mr. Graves.

Through the engineroom door.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got inside the building, where did you go?

Mr. Graves.

I went to the homicide and robbery bureau on the third floor room 31?

Mr. Griffin.

When you got up into the hallway on the third floor, can you describe the condition of the hallway?

Mr. Graves.

Well, of course, it was cluttered up with camera equipment and cables and newspeople, cameramen.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember then you arrived there on the third floor, whether the TV cameras were manned?

Mr. Graves.

Reasonably sure they were. There were men standing around with earphones on and the light.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you recall about what time it was that you got up there to the third floor?

Mr. Graves.

Approximately 8 o'clock, I think or----

Mr. Griffin.

That is in the morning?

Mr. Graves.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do when you got to the homicide bureau?

Mr. Graves.

Well, I went in, of course, and started answering the telephones and talking to people that were calling about various things.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody else there when you arrived?

Mr. Graves.

Yes; just about everyone, I think, that worked in the homicide bureau were there.

Mr. Griffin.

Who would that be?

Mr. Graves.

Oh, of course, my partner, L. D. Montgomery----

Mr. Griffin.

Montgomery.

Mr. Graves.

E. R. Beck, C. N. Dhority, J. R. Leavelie, C. W. Brown, Lieutenant Wells, those are the ones that I remember right now at the moment.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember if Captain Fritz was there?

Mr. Graves.

Well, yes; he was there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember whether or not, Lee Oswald was there?

Mr. Graves.

He wasn't there when I first got there in the room.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got into the room, do you remember talking with anybody?

Mr. Graves.

I don't remember who I talked with first, when I got there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember having any conversation with anyone regardless of who it might have been, after you got up there, shortly after you arrived?

Mr. Graves.

Well, the only conversation I recall actually, is when we were told to bring him down, Oswald down to the captain's office. Now, the rest was routine staff.

Mr. Griffin.

How long after you arrived would be your best estimate that you were told to bring Oswald down to the captain's office.

Mr. Graves.

Well, let's see, we would have a thing to show the exact time that I signed him out. At somewhere shortly before 10 o'clock, which would be something over an hour, better part of 2 hours----

Mr. Griffin.

In this period from approximately 8 o'clock until shortly before 10, did you have any conversations about the movement of Lee Oswald from the city jail to the county jail?