Mr. Griffin.

of any assistance to the Commission, please get in touch with the Commission or, if it would probably be easier to get in touch with the FBI or Secret Service, let me know what it is.
I appreciate your coming out here this afternoon and speaking with us. You have had to wait around a long time to get here, and I certainly want to apologize for inconveniencing you and tell you again that we appreciate very much the time you have given us, and the help you have provided here, and it's been very nice meeting you.

Mr. Patterson.

Thank you.

Ralph Paul

Testimony of Ralph Paul

The testimony of Ralph Paul was taken at 8:03 p.m., on April 15, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Mr. Ralph Paul.
Mr. Paul, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the General Counsel of President Johnson's Commission to investigate the death of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald. Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130, dated November 29, 1963, issued by the President's Commission, the Joint Resolution of Congress No. 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by Congress in conformance with that Executive order and joint resolution, I have been authorized to take a sworn deposition of you, Mr. Paul. I state to you now that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts related to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald.
In particular as to you, Mr. Paul, the nature of the inquiry tonight is to determine what facts you k-now about the death of Oswald and any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry, and about Jack Ruby and his associates, and his business and social friends and so forth. Now, I believe you have appeared here as a result of a letter written to you by Mr. J. Lee Rankin, the General Counsel of the Commission, advising that we would be here and requesting that you appear. Was that letter received by you more than 3 days ago?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Will you stand up and take the oath, please? Do you solemnly swear-that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Paul.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Paul, will you state your name for the record, please?

Mr. Paul.

Ralph Paul.

Mr. Hubert.

And how old are you, Mr. Paul?

Mr. Paul.

I will be 65 this December.

Mr. Hubert.

Where do you reside?

Mr. Paul.

Right now I live with some friends--I'm building a house in Arlington, 1602 Browning Drive.

Mr. Hubert.

The letter of request to appear was addressed to the correct place?

Mr. Paul.

Yes; both places.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand that you are the owner or manager, and that is one of the things we want to clarify, of the Bull Pen?

Mr. Paul.

I am the owner.

Mr. Hubert.

You are the owner?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

IS that a corporation?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the name of the corporation?

Mr. Paul.

That is Bappo [spelling] B-a-p-p-o.