Mr. Jenkins.

time, and it seems to me the man was smiling at the time and put his hand down to help the girl get up.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the man you believe to be Jack Ruby ?

Mr. Jenkins.

That is the man I believe to be Jack Ruby. In fact, I am more
sure of this than of the first person whom I think was Jack Ruby. The image is a lot clearer in my mind.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear him say anything else?

Mr. Jenkins.

Not after that. I heard nothing. Paid no more attention to him.
It was just a matter of 2 or 3 minutes before the entire room, front end especially, was jampacked with cameramen and newsmen.

Mr. Hubert.

This would have been when Oswald came ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes. This was before Oswald came in the room.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, Mr. Jenkins, I don't believe that there has been any conversation between us previous to the beginning of the recordation of this deposition which has not subsequently become a part of the deposition, isn't that correct, sir?

Mr. Jenkins.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Thank you very much, sir.

Mr. Jenkins.

All right.

Speedy Johnson

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Testimony of Speedy Johnson

The testimony of Speedy Johnson was taken at 9 p.m., on July 13, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Sam Kelley, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Mr. Speedy Johnson. Mr. Johnson, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission.
.Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130 dated November 29, 1963, and the joint resolution of Congress No. 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by the President's Commission in conformance with that Executive order and the joint resolution, I have been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you.
I state to you now that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relevant to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald.
In particular as to you, Mr. Johnson, the nature of the inquiry today is to determine what facts you know about the death of Oswald and any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry.
I think you have appeared here today by virtue of a letter request addressed to you by Mr. J. Lee Rankin, general counsel of the staff of the President's Commission, is that correct?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the date upon that letter, sir?

Mr. Johnson.

The date on the letter, or the postmark on the envelope?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, the date on the letter.

Mr. Johnson.

June 22, 1964.

Mr. Hubert.

It asks you to appear on a date subsequent to that?

Mr. Johnson.

Subsequent to that, which would be June 26, 1964, at 9:15 p.m.

Mr. Hubert.

It turned out that you were out of the city, or that didn't reach you in time for that deposition?

Mr. Johnson.

No. As a matter of fact, you are right. It was forwarded to me three times.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you are appearing here tonight by virtue of that letter?