Representative Ford.

How long after the President was brought in before you went to trauma room No. 1?
Dr. PERRY. That I don't know either. My last recollection in regard to time was approximately 12:30 when I was having lunch prior to rounds, and Dr. Jones picked up the page and as we went downstairs I took off my watch and dropped it in my coat pocket, rather expecting to do some kind of procedure, and I took off my coat and I never looked at the clock until afterwards.

Mr. Mccloy.

One more question, I want to get clear.
The extent to which you examined Governor Connally's wounds, as I gather, you were asked to stand by.
Dr. PERRY. That is right, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

Rather than to be involved in a close examination of the wounds.
Dr. PERRY. That is right, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

So you are not generally familiar?
Dr. PERRY. No, sir; all I did was come into the operating room, put on a scrub suit, cap and mask, and looked at the thigh wound before Dr. Shires started the operation. That was the extent of the episode into the wound, and I stayed there while he carried it down to the lower portion of the wound and indicated there was no serious injury and I left the operating room at that point.

Mr. Mccloy.

And you didn't see the other two wounds?
Dr. PERRY. I didn't see the other wounds at all, sir.

Representative FORD Thank you very much, Dr. Perry. Your testimony has been most helpful.
(Whereupon, at 11:45 a.m., the President's Commission recessed.)

Tuesday, March 31, 1964

Testimony of Robert A. Frazier

Testimony of Ronald Simmons

The President's Commission met at 9 a.m. on March 31, 1964, at 200 Mary land Avenue NE., Washington, D.C.
Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Representative Hale Boggs and John J. McCloy, members.
Also present were J. Lee Rankin, general counsel; Melvin Aron Eisenberg, assistant counsel; Norman Redlich, assistant counsel; Charles Murray and Lewis Powell, observers; and Leon Jaworski, special counsel to the attorney general of Texas.
Robert A. Frazier

Testimony of Robert A. Frazier

The Chairman.

Mr. Frazier, the purpose of today's hearing is to take the testimony of yourself and Mr. Ronald Simmons.
You are, we understand, a firearms expert with the FBI, and Mr. Simmons is a firearms expert with the Weapons System Division at Fort Meade, Md.
You are asked to provide technical information to assist the Commission in this work.
Would you raise your right hand and be sworn, please?
You solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Frazier.

I do.

The Chairman.

You may be seated, please.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Frazier, will you give your name and position?

Mr. Frazier.

Robert A. Frazier, Special Agent, Federal Bureau of Investigation, assigned to the FBI Laboratory, Washington, D.C.